Red IPA - Riwaka - RealBeer.co.nz2024-03-29T13:41:49Zhttp://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/forum/topics/red-ipa-riwaka?commentId=1500433%3AComment%3A235238&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThis has turned out great, lo…tag:www.forum.realbeer.co.nz,2016-10-15:1500433:Comment:2352382016-10-15T09:52:01.254ZBen Deanhttp://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/profile/BenDean
<p>This has turned out great, lots of toffee like maltiness with a big fruity hop punch. Pours very clear with a lovely red hue. I'm going to enter it into the NHC but not sure if it will fit best in Red IPA or American Amber categories. Recipe is below.</p>
<p>Brewlength - 21.5L (this is the brewlength I entered into BIAB calculator but the dry hops drank 2 litres leaving me with 19.5L)<br></br>OG 1.064<br></br>FG 1.012<br></br>6.8% ABV<br></br>IBU - 61+<br></br>Mashed @ 150 deg F for 60min<br></br>Boil 90…</p>
<p>This has turned out great, lots of toffee like maltiness with a big fruity hop punch. Pours very clear with a lovely red hue. I'm going to enter it into the NHC but not sure if it will fit best in Red IPA or American Amber categories. Recipe is below.</p>
<p>Brewlength - 21.5L (this is the brewlength I entered into BIAB calculator but the dry hops drank 2 litres leaving me with 19.5L)<br/>OG 1.064<br/>FG 1.012<br/>6.8% ABV<br/>IBU - 61+<br/>Mashed @ 150 deg F for 60min<br/>Boil 90 min</p>
<p>Grain bill<br/>Gladfield Ale - 85%<br/>Redback - 7.5%<br/>Gladfield dark crystal - 3%<br/>Gladfield medium crystal - 2%<br/>Gladiator - 2%<br/>Gladfield roasted barley - 0.5%<br/>Gladfield sour grapes - 1%</p>
<p>Hops<br/>Pacific Jade 35g @ 60min<br/>Simcoe 25g @ 30min<br/>Riwaka 25g @ 10min<br/>Amarillo 50g @ 10min<br/>Riwaka 25g @ 0min<br/>Amarillo 100g @ 0min<br/>Simcoe 50g @ 0min<br/>Amarillo 50g dry hop<br/>Simcoe 25g dry hop<br/>Riwaka 25g dry hop</p>
<p>Fermented at 19 deg C with White Labs Dry English Ale yeast 1L starter for 2 weeks, dry hops added after 1 week and left in for 1 week. Crash cooled for 1 week before bottling.</p>
<p>Thanks everyone who chipped in on this thread.</p> Bottled this today, it tasted…tag:www.forum.realbeer.co.nz,2016-09-04:1500433:Comment:2343082016-09-04T02:22:00.781ZBen Deanhttp://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/profile/BenDean
<p>Bottled this today, it tasted great out of the fermenter although not as much aroma as I was hoping for. Maybe it will pop a bit more once carbed. Missed my OG by quite a bit, came out at 1.064 instead of 1.070, the White Labs Dry English Ale yeast chomped through it though and FG is 1.012!</p>
<p>Mash pH was a little on the low side too, 5.33 @ 25 deg C (so 5.03ish @ mash temp). Doesn't appear to have had any negative impact on the brew though.</p>
<p>Will report back once I've drunk a…</p>
<p>Bottled this today, it tasted great out of the fermenter although not as much aroma as I was hoping for. Maybe it will pop a bit more once carbed. Missed my OG by quite a bit, came out at 1.064 instead of 1.070, the White Labs Dry English Ale yeast chomped through it though and FG is 1.012!</p>
<p>Mash pH was a little on the low side too, 5.33 @ 25 deg C (so 5.03ish @ mash temp). Doesn't appear to have had any negative impact on the brew though.</p>
<p>Will report back once I've drunk a fizzy one.</p> Please do, I'll be interested…tag:www.forum.realbeer.co.nz,2016-07-24:1500433:Comment:2336932016-07-24T21:48:54.438ZCrusader-Robhttp://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/profile/CRUSADER1612
<p>Please do, I'll be interested to see how your recipe looks.</p>
<p>FYI riwaka goes well with Citra. :)</p>
<p>Please do, I'll be interested to see how your recipe looks.</p>
<p>FYI riwaka goes well with Citra. :)</p> Thanks for all the replies. D…tag:www.forum.realbeer.co.nz,2016-07-23:1500433:Comment:2336132016-07-23T04:58:37.554ZBen Deanhttp://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/profile/BenDean
<p>Thanks for all the replies. Despite everyone's personal preferences the common theme here appears to be, don't use too much. With that in mind I'll build a hop schedule in the same way I do with Nelson Sauvin - always the backup singer, never the star. I won't be brewing this for a couple of weeks but will post the recipe when I'm done. Any other comments between now and then are welcome. Cheers.</p>
<p>Thanks for all the replies. Despite everyone's personal preferences the common theme here appears to be, don't use too much. With that in mind I'll build a hop schedule in the same way I do with Nelson Sauvin - always the backup singer, never the star. I won't be brewing this for a couple of weeks but will post the recipe when I'm done. Any other comments between now and then are welcome. Cheers.</p> Yeah, it's definitely an Amer…tag:www.forum.realbeer.co.nz,2016-07-23:1500433:Comment:2333272016-07-23T04:46:14.087ZBen Deanhttp://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/profile/BenDean
<p>Yeah, it's definitely an American amber grain bill. Although the redback doesn't add anywhere near as much sweetness as other crystal malts.</p>
<p>Yeah, it's definitely an American amber grain bill. Although the redback doesn't add anywhere near as much sweetness as other crystal malts.</p> Since it looks like you're br…tag:www.forum.realbeer.co.nz,2016-07-23:1500433:Comment:2336112016-07-23T01:29:26.577ZDavid Rhttp://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/profile/DavidR
<p>Since it looks like you're brewing more of a hoppy amber ale than red IPA (my red IPA recipe only has 7.5% crystal total, where as my American Amber recipe looks a lot more like yours with a bit over double the amount) I think the dankness/diesel/whatever of Riwaka could work well, but as John Palmer said "the better part of flavour is discretion". I'm not a fan of tons of crystal malts plus all fruity US hops, a bit of spice/dank to balance it all out is a good thing IMO. Equal parts of…</p>
<p>Since it looks like you're brewing more of a hoppy amber ale than red IPA (my red IPA recipe only has 7.5% crystal total, where as my American Amber recipe looks a lot more like yours with a bit over double the amount) I think the dankness/diesel/whatever of Riwaka could work well, but as John Palmer said "the better part of flavour is discretion". I'm not a fan of tons of crystal malts plus all fruity US hops, a bit of spice/dank to balance it all out is a good thing IMO. Equal parts of Simcoe/Amarillo plus a moderate dose of Riwaka at 10min and a smaller dose at FO is what I'd go for. Maybe.</p> I didn't get anything unpleas…tag:www.forum.realbeer.co.nz,2016-07-22:1500433:Comment:2336652016-07-22T21:57:34.541ZKevin Sharphttp://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/profile/KevinSharp
I didn't get anything unpleasant from the hopping rate in the recipe I posted above. I've always thought that the dank flavour that you can get from Riwaka comes from boiling it too much rather than the dry hops.<br />
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If you want to find out whether you like the flavour from dry hopping with Riwaka you could try dropping a few measured samples of pellets in a neutral pale ale and recapping as described here…
I didn't get anything unpleasant from the hopping rate in the recipe I posted above. I've always thought that the dank flavour that you can get from Riwaka comes from boiling it too much rather than the dry hops.<br />
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If you want to find out whether you like the flavour from dry hopping with Riwaka you could try dropping a few measured samples of pellets in a neutral pale ale and recapping as described here <a href="http://www.bertusbrewery.com/2013/03/dry-hopped-bud-light.html" target="_blank">http://www.bertusbrewery.com/2013/03/dry-hopped-bud-light.html</a> . I'd suggest a few experiments in the range of 0.5 to 3 grams per litre. I'm not really a fan of Riwak…tag:www.forum.realbeer.co.nz,2016-07-22:1500433:Comment:2336022016-07-22T02:46:39.898ZTomhttp://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/profile/TomNorman
<p>I'm not really a fan of Riwaka, I've never found it to be anywhere near the descriptors. Instead I get Wooly Nightshade, diesel tobaco. I brew an American Red Ale/ Red IPA and use Falconers Flight as the feature, with NZ Liberty, NZ Cascade as features and bitter with Columbus. I think the highly kilned malts work well with American C type hops.</p>
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<p>With your list I personally would go for Citra Simcoe and Amarillo. Citra/Amarillo heavy late additions and dry…</p>
<p>I'm not really a fan of Riwaka, I've never found it to be anywhere near the descriptors. Instead I get Wooly Nightshade, diesel tobaco. I brew an American Red Ale/ Red IPA and use Falconers Flight as the feature, with NZ Liberty, NZ Cascade as features and bitter with Columbus. I think the highly kilned malts work well with American C type hops.</p>
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<p>With your list I personally would go for Citra Simcoe and Amarillo. Citra/Amarillo heavy late additions and dry hop.</p>
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<p>Either way you go please post your notes. I'm a huge fan of the style.</p>
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<p>Good luck.</p> I have had the Raro result as…tag:www.forum.realbeer.co.nz,2016-07-22:1500433:Comment:2335052016-07-22T00:40:59.415ZPeter Smithhttp://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/profile/PeterSmith
<p>I have had the Raro result as well, but unlike other flavours its not that stable, I just find that Riwaka changes over time in keg way more then many other flavours.</p>
<p>I have had the Raro result as well, but unlike other flavours its not that stable, I just find that Riwaka changes over time in keg way more then many other flavours.</p> Really??
Oh interesting. I ge…tag:www.forum.realbeer.co.nz,2016-07-22:1500433:Comment:2335972016-07-22T00:26:02.640ZCrusader-Robhttp://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/profile/CRUSADER1612
<p>Really??</p>
<p>Oh interesting. I get the Diesel thing. Its almost like Raro when fresh. thats why i generally only ever use it around 10 mins. It does go pretty well with Citra (really well infact)</p>
<p>Really??</p>
<p>Oh interesting. I get the Diesel thing. Its almost like Raro when fresh. thats why i generally only ever use it around 10 mins. It does go pretty well with Citra (really well infact)</p>