CS1 - Oli and Mike's Bitter (B1 and B2) - RealBeer.co.nz2024-03-29T12:31:03Zhttp://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/forum/topics/cs1-oli-and-mikes-bitter-b1-and-b2?groupUrl=christchurch-case-swap&feed=yes&xn_auth=noWe'll see, Oli had more to do…tag:www.forum.realbeer.co.nz,2013-04-16:1500433:Comment:1765612013-04-16T10:53:50.753ZMikehttp://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/profile/Mike317
<p>We'll see, Oli had more to do with this one that me. I think I'll be sticking pretty close to Brewing Classic Styles though! </p>
<p>Interesting that you note that with Gladfield Ale. I'm actually regretting not doing the last two light hoppy beers I did with Gladfield pilsner malt.</p>
<p>We'll see, Oli had more to do with this one that me. I think I'll be sticking pretty close to Brewing Classic Styles though! </p>
<p>Interesting that you note that with Gladfield Ale. I'm actually regretting not doing the last two light hoppy beers I did with Gladfield pilsner malt.</p> Poured very carbonated and gu…tag:www.forum.realbeer.co.nz,2013-04-16:1500433:Comment:1766452013-04-16T07:33:55.988ZDougalhttp://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/profile/Dougal
<p>Poured very carbonated and gushy, but de-gassed quickly in the glass as II drank it at about 14C.</p>
<p>Malt on the nose and a sharp, slightly biting yeasty note indicative of the agitated yeast in the bottle.</p>
<p>Nice flavour: malty and just sweet enough with the brown providing a nice depth, fruity but restrained. Earthy, spicy hops that are subtle and integrated. Mouthfeel was satisfying and rich once the fizz settled down. I think this would be great without the yeast…</p>
<p>Poured very carbonated and gushy, but de-gassed quickly in the glass as II drank it at about 14C.</p>
<p>Malt on the nose and a sharp, slightly biting yeasty note indicative of the agitated yeast in the bottle.</p>
<p>Nice flavour: malty and just sweet enough with the brown providing a nice depth, fruity but restrained. Earthy, spicy hops that are subtle and integrated. Mouthfeel was satisfying and rich once the fizz settled down. I think this would be great without the yeast turbidity.</p>
<p>The one thing I'd note other than the carbonation (this is personal so free to ignore me… and it could just be the yeast screwing with my tastebuds), is that I'm not so fond of Gladfield Ale. Don't know why, but it has a slightly…metallic for lack of a better word flavour that doesn't do it for me. I reckon this beer would be better with Maris Otter or the clean, bright nutty character of Golden Promise. Very enjoyable, balanced bitter though. I see I'm going to have to pull one out of the bag for that bitter comp you were talking about Mike…</p>
<p>Thanks. </p> Yeh that 007 culture went sou…tag:www.forum.realbeer.co.nz,2013-04-15:1500433:Comment:1766982013-04-15T09:34:50.412Zoliverhttp://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/profile/oliver98
<p>Yeh that 007 culture went south after the first couple of brews, not sure what happened there. You might be right on the EKGs, I remember them smelling pretty earthy, I bought another batch off baylands recently, this batch smells real orangy and floral. No water adjustments in this one, unfiltered tap water too.</p>
<p>Yeh that 007 culture went south after the first couple of brews, not sure what happened there. You might be right on the EKGs, I remember them smelling pretty earthy, I bought another batch off baylands recently, this batch smells real orangy and floral. No water adjustments in this one, unfiltered tap water too.</p> Yea that's what I got. The ye…tag:www.forum.realbeer.co.nz,2013-04-15:1500433:Comment:1766152013-04-15T08:40:54.585ZMikehttp://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/profile/Mike317
<p>Yea that's what I got. The yeast could have thrown out some weird flavours, maybe it was underpitched, hence the low apparent initial attenuation and fermentation in the bottles - leading to over carbonation. Or maybe there was a slight infection/something else that is developing in the beer, as the mustiness was not present before. Pretty much all of it is drank now though!</p>
<p>Yea that's what I got. The yeast could have thrown out some weird flavours, maybe it was underpitched, hence the low apparent initial attenuation and fermentation in the bottles - leading to over carbonation. Or maybe there was a slight infection/something else that is developing in the beer, as the mustiness was not present before. Pretty much all of it is drank now though!</p> Ok, the slight sulphur note m…tag:www.forum.realbeer.co.nz,2013-04-15:1500433:Comment:1766142013-04-15T08:36:57.402ZRalphhttp://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/profile/Ralph792
<p>Ok, the slight sulphur note may be from the yeast or something.</p>
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<p>Yeh, ok foam rising out the top of the bottle rather than a gusher is a better description! It has been sitting in my 10 deg freezer since I bought it home from the case swap.</p>
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<p>The flavour could be described as musty/earthy.</p>
<p>Ok, the slight sulphur note may be from the yeast or something.</p>
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<p>Yeh, ok foam rising out the top of the bottle rather than a gusher is a better description! It has been sitting in my 10 deg freezer since I bought it home from the case swap.</p>
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<p>The flavour could be described as musty/earthy.</p> No salts added to water accor…tag:www.forum.realbeer.co.nz,2013-04-14:1500433:Comment:1765892013-04-14T06:58:28.999ZMikehttp://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/profile/Mike317
<p>No salts added to water according to my memory.</p>
<p>Foamy/overcarbed seems to be the norm for this beer, you're the first gusher we've seen though from the swap, so I'm guessing your one may have taken a knock (it doesn't tend to travel well :P). In saying that I took my last 500ml to a friends yesterday and didn't get a gusher, just a slow rising foam from the bottle, and very very foamy in jug. Too much residual sugar seems to be the problem yea, I'm guessing the WLP007 flocced out too…</p>
<p>No salts added to water according to my memory.</p>
<p>Foamy/overcarbed seems to be the norm for this beer, you're the first gusher we've seen though from the swap, so I'm guessing your one may have taken a knock (it doesn't tend to travel well :P). In saying that I took my last 500ml to a friends yesterday and didn't get a gusher, just a slow rising foam from the bottle, and very very foamy in jug. Too much residual sugar seems to be the problem yea, I'm guessing the WLP007 flocced out too soon and then the carbonation sugar woke it back up again. </p>
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<p>I got a slightly musty flavour in the 500ml I had yesterday, this might be the flavour you describe? It does seem like it blends with/is similar to a really earthy hop note, but it wasn't as noticeable previously to my reckoning. I didn't taste it in any of the other bottles, so I'm guessing it's developed in the last couple weeks. Make of that what you will. </p> For the B2
Gusher! Way overca…tag:www.forum.realbeer.co.nz,2013-04-14:1500433:Comment:1765412013-04-14T06:27:45.878ZRalphhttp://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/profile/Ralph792
<p>For the B2</p>
<p>Gusher! Way overcarbed? Does not really taste infected… I would guess it was bottled with too much residual sugar in the brew.</p>
<p>Yeasty notes on the nose with some fruity esters and a little earthy/spicy hop.</p>
<p>Nice copper colour, huge head that dies back to a coarse thin head. Colour and head seem spot on for a bitter.</p>
<p>Some strange flavour that I am having trouble describing in initial taste, might be the EKG? I have not brewed with them much. Goes…</p>
<p>For the B2</p>
<p>Gusher! Way overcarbed? Does not really taste infected… I would guess it was bottled with too much residual sugar in the brew.</p>
<p>Yeasty notes on the nose with some fruity esters and a little earthy/spicy hop.</p>
<p>Nice copper colour, huge head that dies back to a coarse thin head. Colour and head seem spot on for a bitter.</p>
<p>Some strange flavour that I am having trouble describing in initial taste, might be the EKG? I have not brewed with them much. Goes through to a toffee/caramel then the hop bite finishes it off. An earthy aftertaste hangs around for a long time afterwards (again EKG?).</p>
<p>Medium sort of mouthfeel, seems appropriate for style.</p>
<p>Did you guys adjust your water? Gypsum (CaSO4)? I am getting some sulphur type notes? </p> Yeah, i think the next time i…tag:www.forum.realbeer.co.nz,2013-04-05:1500433:Comment:1756462013-04-05T03:39:36.608ZPaul Finneyhttp://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/profile/PaulFinney
<p>Yeah, i think the next time i do my ordinary i will hike the temp a bit too to try and lever some more body into it. When you have such a low gravity beer you need to rinse as much out of the malts as possible.</p>
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<p>Yeah, i think the next time i do my ordinary i will hike the temp a bit too to try and lever some more body into it. When you have such a low gravity beer you need to rinse as much out of the malts as possible.</p>
<p> </p> Cool, cheers for the detailed…tag:www.forum.realbeer.co.nz,2013-04-04:1500433:Comment:1757432013-04-04T07:15:41.716Zoliverhttp://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/profile/oliver98
<p>Cool, cheers for the detailed feedback - I've put down another bitter with a similar recipe using WLP002. I'll have to put down a third sometime with some of your ideas. I've heard Jamil say the english crystal/specialty malts are very rich compared to the american ones, not sure how NZ malts compare. I'm hoping the switch to 002 alone will bring out the malts a bit more + increase the body. Will hook you up with a bottle when it carbs - see what you think. If that doesn't work I reckon I'll…</p>
<p>Cool, cheers for the detailed feedback - I've put down another bitter with a similar recipe using WLP002. I'll have to put down a third sometime with some of your ideas. I've heard Jamil say the english crystal/specialty malts are very rich compared to the american ones, not sure how NZ malts compare. I'm hoping the switch to 002 alone will bring out the malts a bit more + increase the body. Will hook you up with a bottle when it carbs - see what you think. If that doesn't work I reckon I'll try mash a little higher, maybe boost the crystal + the bittering a little?</p> Cheers for the tips Paul :)tag:www.forum.realbeer.co.nz,2013-04-04:1500433:Comment:1756352013-04-04T07:02:30.873Zoliverhttp://www.forum.realbeer.co.nz/profile/oliver98
<p>Cheers for the tips Paul :)</p>
<p>Cheers for the tips Paul :)</p>